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Survival Hunter pre raid bis


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For anyone that wants to be survival speced here is a pre raid list to aim for so that you are viable. I will give the slot,. its name and what dungeon and boss it comes from. i will also add what gems to socket with.

The focus of survival spec is agi stacking. There's a  talent called expose weakness, which gives all physical dps a attack power bonus on the de-buffed mob thats based off your agi, so the higher your agi the higher the bonus. In all sockets your going to aim for the 8 agi gems unless your server has the epic 10 agi gems. and the meta you use is the relentless earthstorm diamond which is 12 agi and 3% crit dmg increase. To make this meta work it requires 2 red/blue/yellow gems. you should therefor use 2 green gems that act as both yellow and blue. The gem you use is called jagged talasite, 4 crit 6 stam, or if your server has the epic cuts its jagged seaspray 5 crit 7 stam. there is also a epic cut u can get from heroics that is 5 crit 6 stam. This gem is found in Blood Furnace in heroic mode.

I will be posting a t4, t5, t6 and sunwell bis list in the future.

Helm: Beast Lord Helm (mechenar,. pathaleon) Meta:Relentless Earthstorm, Red Socket: Pure agi gem

Neck: Necklace of the Deep (jewelcrafting) 2x Red sockets: 2x Pure agi gems

Shoulders: Beast Lord Mantle (Steam Vaults, Kalithres) red and yellow sockets both pure agi gems

Cloak: Cloak of the craft (World Drop, AH)

Chest: Beast Lord Cuirass (Botanica, warp splinter) 2 red sockets: pure agi gems, Blue socket: jagged crit/stam

Bracers: Shard-Bound Bracers (ogrila reputation, exalted) 1x blue socket: jagged crit/stam

Gloves: Beast Lord Handgaurds (The shattered Halls, Kargath) 1x red socket: pure agi,1x blue socket: pure agi

Belt: Felstalker Belt (leatherworking) 1x red socket: pure agi, 1x blue socket pure agi

Pants:Wastewalker Leggings (Mana tombs heroics,  nexus prince) 2x red sockets: pure agi, 1 blue socket: pure agi

Boots: Boots of the Endless Hunt (Botanic Heroic,  Warp Splinter)

Ring: Truestrike Ring (World Drop, AH)

Ring:Pathfinders Band (World Drop, AH)

Trinket: Hourglass of the Unraveller (Black Morass, Temporus)

Trinket:Icon of Unyielding Courage (Blood Furnace heroic, Kelidan)

MainHand: Stellaris (Mechenar, Nethermancer Sepethrea)

OffHand: Stellaris (Mechenar, Nethermancer Sepethrea)

Range:Wrathtide Longbow (Steamvaults heroic, Kelithresh)

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It all depends on how many melee you have in your raid but i'd say that 800 agi is a minimum to give raid a significant boost and overcome dmg loss compared to BM hunter (who actually gives 3% dmg buff so that's quite good as welll).

 

Btw, surv will never outdps  BM in personal dps.

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I don't think the idea is to out-dps the bm hunter, but to be a support for heavy mele hitters - if you got some uber-war & rogues, it might do a lot better to roll as surv & not BM, in other to increase the overall group dps, rather than your own personal

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Exactly what I said

17 hours ago, edekk said:

It all depends on how many melee you have in your raid but i'd say that 800 agi is a minimum to give raid a significant boost and overcome dmg loss compared to BM hunter

I was responding to this

On 12/9/2018 at 1:52 PM, Normar said:

I just want to bring up one little thing, that Survi is inferior to BM until later tier 5, since then we finally get enough agility to surpass BM's base damage boost.

 

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The gear i listed will put u at around 850 agi unbuffed. and that can easily get your personal dps to almost match that of BM hunters in the same teir. Anyone who has spent time playing the spec can tell u that it holds its own on personal dps in every teir and pre raid. This idea that you cant be surv until t6 was debunked years ago.

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You're probably right. Didnt play surv at early stages of TBC at high lvl of pve. The addition of ~200 attack power from EW and imp. hunter's mark (although I think that one of BM hunters should pick that up) is enough to make surv much more useful than one would initially think.

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Thank you for the list. But I have some souggestions to improve on it. Since you don't need that much hitrating for 25Raids (you should ALWAYS have a moonkin with improved fairy fire in a raid) you can go lower (48 hit = 3% + 3% from sure footed talent + 3% from imp. fairy fire) and take:

* the badge back "Blood Knight War Cloak"

* pants - "Scaled Greaves of Patience" from the 2. Boss (Captn Skarloc) in Old Hillsbrad Caverns of Time (normal mode)

You can calculate with the "Expose Weakness Calculator": https://anybrowser.org/wow/survival_guide.html#calculator

and the famous/infamous "Cheeky's Spreadsheet": https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiNxciD-5LgAhU-AxAIHXioBc4QFjACegQIABAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdungeonkeepers.ucoz.com%2F_fr%2F2%2FHunter_DPS_Calc.xls&usg=AOvVaw2P3fI6dcIxT0N3r68RU9Oj

(with the last one you have to remove the write protection to use it)

 

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Since there are no further lists for T4 & T5 I am gonna try it with this one for T4 content. I kept (copied) the descriptions from the starting post at the top for some of the items that stay in the gear (thanks to Kuntar).

 

Helm: Demon Stalker Greathelm (Karazhan, Prince Malchezaar) Meta:Relentless Earthstorm, Yellow Socket: Jagged Talasit (green gem, 6 stam+ 4 crit) = bonus +4 Agi

Neck: Necklace of the Deep (jewelcrafting) 2x Red sockets: 2x Pure agi gems

Shoulders: Beast Lord Mantle (Steam Vaults, Kalithres) red and yellow sockets both pure agi gems

Cloak: Blood Knight War Cloak (25 badges)

Chest: Demon Stalker Harness (Magtheridons Lair, Magtheridon) fill all 3 sockets with the pure agi gems

Bracers: Shard-Bound Bracers (Ogrila reputation, exalted) 1x blue socket: pure agi

Gloves: Gloves of Dexterous Manipulation (Karazhan, Attumen the Horseman) 1x red socket: pure agi, 1x blue socket: pure agi *(these gloves are the best choice as a SV Hunter until T6 gloves, so you should wear them also througout T5)

Belt: Girdle of Treachery (Karazhan, Chess Event,  2x red sockets: pure agi

PantsA: Skulkers Grieves (Karazhan, Netherspite) 1x red socket: pure agi, 2 x blue sockets: pure agi //

PantsB: Scaled Grieves of the Marksman (Doomlord Kazzak, Worldboss) 3 red sockets, pure agi (but to obtain these you would need a willing raid group to do the Boss, which is really hard for T4, maybe try with T5 geared people)

Boots: Fiend Slayer Boots (Karazhan, Chess Event ) 1x red socket: pure agi, 1x blue socket: Jagged Talasit (green gem, 6stam+4crit) = bonus +3 agi

Ring1: Ring of the Recalcritant (Magtheridons Lair, Magtheridon =  this is the reward from the "Head of Magtheridon" quest)

Ring2: Pathfinders Band (World Drop, AH)

Trinket: Hourglass of the Unraveller (Black Morass, Temporus)

Trinket: Dragon Spine Trophy (Gruuls Lair, Gruul)

MainHand: Emerald Ripper (Karazhan, Moroes)

OffHand: Blade of the Unrequited (Karazhan, Romulo & Julianne ) 1x red socket, 1 yellow socket, 1 blue socket = 3x pure agi

Range: Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix (Karazhan, Prince Malchezaar)

 

Note: If you happen to be in a Raid without a moonkin (+3% meleehit) you should replace the following 2 items:

* back: Drape of the Dark Reavers (Karazhan, Shade of Aran) = gives you +17 Hit

* Ring2: Ring of a Thousand Marks (Karazhan, Prince Malchezaar) = gives you +19 Hit

 

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