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  1. World of Warcraft - Wrath of the Lich King Mage PvE Class Guide Contact: vaxsysl at gmail dottity com !! IMPORTANT !! This is "cut" (and a bit outdated) version of my guide located on my google drive folder. You can find it on this link: <tap me> Table of content *Use [keywords] to quickly navigate to wanted section. Arcane Talent Spec 1. Talent spec - detailed explanation [Arc1] 2. Arcane dps rotation and CD usage [Arc2] 3. Gearing up, gems, enchants [Arc3] Fire Talent Spec 1. Talent spec - detailed explanation [Fire1][FFB1] 2. Fire dps rotation and CD usage [Fire2] 3. Gearing up, gems, enchants [Fire3] Mage and You 1. Race and professions [Mage1] 2. Mage in Raid [Mage2] 3. Macros [Mage3] 4. Addons & Interface [Mage4] 5. BiS item lists [Mage5] BiS gearlists for both specs *Check [T7a], [T7], [T8], [T9], [T10a], [T10], [APUC]. • Pre-Naxx gearing (for progressive realms) • Tier 7 (Naxxramas, Eye of Eternity, Obsidian Sanctum) • Tier 8 (Ulduar) • Tier 9 (Trial of the Crusader, Onyxia’s Lair) • Pre- ICC gearing (for standard 3.3.5a realms) • Tier 10 (Icecrown Citadel, Ruby Sanctum) • Project Undergeared Challenge (Arcane in Blues) Information Greetings, fellow practitioner of Arcane arts! Before we begin, I’d just say it out loud that it’s best when one discovers things on their own. It etches in our memories differently and we know things by heart rather than from memory. It would be best for one to build specs and do all other things step by step on their own, and have someone ask questions until one comes with the final answer. This guide is version 3.24, the 3.0 core finished on February 27th 2015 with many, many edits and lengthily postpones since I started playing mage in early 2012. This guide holds all the information necessary for one to come to know how Mage works in WotLK expansion! Have fun raiding and enjoy the game! If you have any questions or remarks, send me an e-mail and I’ll reply when I can. Last major edit happened in July 2017 and last tidbit explanation polishing happened in August 2019. Added Project Undergeared in September information after few queries. I will help you with any questions regarding either of the two mage specs. If you have something to add about any part of the guide – please contact me so we may discuss it and thank you if you do so, for it are conversations with all of you that led to this quality of content! Thank all of you who have contacted me over the years with many questions, opinions, requests and remarks, especially you Fastor for your critical and valued opinion. Because it are mostly inexperienced players looking for guides to check their knowledge, I filled this guide with many explanations. To ease up your reading, I have written *very* important things in bold, certain details will be underlined, and it may be in italic – and then the details are written in plain text. Type the [keyword] in the search box to read what you need. The point is, this is not a pocket guide. If you're looking for one, well, either be smart about it or look elsewhere. So! Let's have a chat about Mage dps, shall we? What spec(s) to get, explanation why the spec looks like it does, what gear to hunt, how to gem it, enchant it, and how to play mage in the raid environment. Basic Mage Class Information Mage is a pure dps class and is there to dish out the numbers. You bring Arcane Intellect buff to everyone, free food/drink via Ritual of Refreshment, portals to save HS after the raid as well as opening one during a break for players to quickly do something before it’s over. Mage can interrupt casts with Counterspell (although it has a long cooldown of 24 seconds it’s not really ideal but more like an emergency interrupter). You can help dealing with adds by applying slows (Cone of Cold, Frostbolt, Frostfire Bolt) and rooting them in place (Frost Nova). You can cast Polymorph to CC either one mob or one raider that's being mind controlled – Polymorph regenerates HP, that way the raiders can survive! You can assist the raid with Remove Curse, so when healers have their hands full go ahead and assist. On occasion you can Spell Steal fun buffs in encounters...or troll your fellow mind-controlled raiders in fun farm raids and taking away all of their buffs (you lose them later after stolen buff 2min duration limit wears out). Another mage specials are Dampen Magic and Amplify Magic buffs, which decrease magical damage taken and healing received (Dampen) or increases magical damage taken and healing received (Amplify). Talent specializations bring few more things to the table. If you're Arcane spec you can assist the raid with Slow spell (and Improved Dampen & Amplify Magic). If you're Fire you can spec into Blast Wave and Dragon's Breath to further help with add control by knocking them back & slowing them or to disorient for few seconds (both spells stop AoE casts on mobs that can be CCed). And while one doesn't generally play Frost in PvE, that spec is generally used for its massive AoE slows and roots, offering great control - and can do a ranged stun with Deep Freeze. When it comes to gameplay, Mage is one of the most carefree casters in the game. You can move around instantly with Blink, which greatly reduces your casting downtime. Fire Ward and Frost Ward can be used to soak some damage (two talents can make this talent regen you mana (FFB and Arcane) and increase your spell power (Arcane only)). Ice Block can be used in many ways, be it to guard against over-agrro, removing that one deadly encounter debuff, and it can also be used to guard against an incoming damage source that's aimed at you or you being in its way, saving you from death – once. Mirror Image has similar use; while it's a dps cooldown per default (and a potent one with T10 (4) set bonus!) it also "pauses" your threat for as long the images are alive. Once they die or the duration expires, all the threat you did meanwhile will be added back, so keep an eye out on those threat meters. Invisibility does a similar thing – for as long as you are invisible, your threat is "paused" until you are revealed again. This is your third guard against over-agrro. However, Mage as a class is the most fragile of all on its own – cooldowns aside, the point is that our health pool is low and our armor is the lowest. You can get nuked easily and a single attack from any mob in raids has a potential to one-shot us. That's why we have powerful cooldowns and learning how to use them best is one of the more important homeworks to do. Above mentioned "carefree" comes after you've mastered it. So what’s better, Arcane or Fire? It depends on your raid group setup and your gear – and raid encounter. Both Arcane and Fire have their juice, so play what you find fun the most. Arcane is not gear reliant, so it will perform well even with weak gears and limited raid buffs (you can't have ideal setup in 10man). It's expected to outdps Fire in stationary fights (single target). That being said, Arcane gives +3% damage buff to the raid, shared only with Retribution Paladins. While it has a simple two button rotation, Arcane is one of the burstiest dps specs in the game, so if there is an add that needs to be dpsed down asap, Arcane Mage is the player that’s to be supported with raid CDs – provided the mage doesn’t need to move a lot AND is top caster dps for that encounter/situation. Because of the incredible scaling with haste, this is easily achieved. The more the raid needs to move, the more dps is lost. Fire is quite gear reliant – its fire you see, fire needs to be fed – and it performs good only with “high” gears (the higher your crit is, the better), and all the raid buffs as well. It has three-four abilities to dps. It has no rotation, but priority casts. Fire has a really steady dps and since two abilities out of three are instants, Fire can “cast and move” quite often, so it’s not as hindered on movement heavy encounters, making it perform better than Arcane in such situations. The longer the fight lasts, the more damage Fire will do with its 12% more damage on enemies at or below 35% HP. And as for Frost… it's a leveling / PvP spec, it's way behind both Arcane and Fire in dps as all talents focus on some control rather than damage increase - but if the situation is so dire that raid has enough dps but no replenishment or needs massive add slowing, one could go Frost but it's sacrificing a lot of dps and its simply not worth it for serious raiding. All information written is based on private WoW experience. By “private wow” I mean to say that some information might not be entirely „as true as it should be“– they simply are like that on the servers that I am or was playing on. In other words, private server without bugs is something that does not exist. It had a chance, but I won’t bore you with donation greed that killed TrinityCore’s progress to make a stable and bug-free server free for all. Let's begin. First come spec specific Arcane & Fire details, then general mage information, followed by BiS lists at the end. Happy reading! Arcane Mage Talent Spec Details [Arc1] Arcane DPS rotation in WotLK [Arc2] Arcane Mage Gearing [ARC3] Fire Mage [Fire1] Fire Mage DPS Rotation in WotLK [Fire2] Fire Mage gearing up in WotLK [Fire3] Mage and You – Race & Professions [Mage1] Mage and You – Your place in the group (Arcane & Fire) [Mage2] Macros [Mage3] AddOns & Interface [Mage4] BiS Gearsets for all raiding tiers (25man) + pre-raid [Mage05] The End [INFO2] Wow, we’re done! I hope this guide has been helpful! Even though WotLK is at the end of its private WoW era, I still respond to emails and find time to edit some missing points. Please contact me if you have any observations or want to say thanks – or are interested in some of my other WoW class guides. Stay safe and enjoy the game! Change Log is below. Bye bye!
  2. Hello, English speaking, and all Nationality welcoming guild 'Gon Give It To Ya' recruiting to bolster our raid roster for 25man raiding. We are now raiding 25man content and offer a consistent, well executed but minimally time intensive weekly raid schedule. We believe there are many people out there like us who live busy lives but also know how to play, and want the regularity of a consistent raid schedule. --- Why would you join us? We offer consistent raids on a minimally intensive raid schedule and are currently progressing through Ulduar 10 and 25man. Loot System? Loot list with no favouritism to rank or experience. Raid times: 20:30 – 01:00 Realm Time. Thursday and/or Sunday Evening, with the occasional Monday. Recruiting: Exceptional players with good gear for ToC What do we expect from you? You need discord access and be willing to talk, at the minimum listen You are willing to take some direction if needed You are a team player Let us know in advance if you cannot make the main raid day Our guild motto 'don't be a cunt', which applies only in-guild If you have interest to join us, pm either of the following: Ffsitsfaz Vulga Moolester Clemo Raghar Duros Heyyoitsfaz Our background: We are a small group of close friends, most of whom have played since Vanilla. We are all grown up now, with responsibilities and lives to live, so playing WoW once a week at a minimum with good friends we know can play is a treat, and we view it as such. We have fun but at the same time we all have the intention of downing bosses. We have all played with realm first guilds, equally we have all played during sparse times when we didn't raid. So the fun/progress balance is important to us and we feel we do a good job at that. That means bosses WILL be killed, progress WILL be made. But we'll also enjoy a joke during the evening. We have settled here on Frosthold and have established a consistent raid time which suits everyone. We are looking to recruit members for a consistent roster. Be consistent, show loyalty and you will be accepted as one of our own and be treated as part of the team. All the best,
  3. Misealeau

    [FR] [PVE] Unfair

    Unfair est à la recherche de joueurs francophones souhaitant réaliser des performances et clean le plus rapidement chaque nouveau palier de raid. Nous sommes un noyau de joueurs solides ayant clean le contenu sur plusieurs realms WOTLK avec un staff officier compétent. Notre recrutement est ouvert à toutes les classes/spé, nous sommes intéressés uniquement par des profils de joueurs déterminés à tuer les boss et non pas par des touristes se connectant sans aucunes connaissances du jeu (stratégies, gameplay...). Horaires de raid : Mercredi : 20h00 - 00h00 Jeudi : 20h00 - 00h00 Lundi : 20h00 - 00h00 Si vous êtes intéressé par cette aventure et que vous avez le sens du challenge, contactez les personnes suivantes IG : Ciska Misaleau Segpatrefor À bientôt IG
  4. Oversalt

    Report Aeavn

    Hi Id like to report Aeavn and Bocqueto I rolled 98 on Drape of the Deadly Foe in Naxx 25 I desperately need the gear but the raid leader gave it to Bocqueto who rolled 42 (not even the second highest). Then he told me I amm loot banned because I have some PvP gear, and wouldn't even let me roll for Crown of the Lost Protector or Last Laugh, and earlier he gave Platehelm of the Great Wyrm to the tank who didnt roll for it during ms. So during os roll i rolled 85 and the tank rolled 8 and he again gave it to the tank. Please help, how are you meant to gear as either a tank or dps warrior with cunts like this as raid leaders?
  5. Hello! [ENG Description] Format: Semi-Hardcore Raids per week: 3/7 (Wednesday - Friday) - New content; 1/7 - After all content closed. Raid time: 8:00 - 12:00 PM Server time, 20:00 - 0:00 Moscow time Looking for: Any Class Raiders and Casuals Our progress today: 17/17 Discord for invite: Rokerz#4573 [Русское описание] - Фракция: Орда - Формат: ПвЕ, Семи-хардкор - РТ: 3/7 ср-пт - освоение, 1/7 - фарм - Опыт на данный момент: фул контент Закрыт. Фармим Накс перед Ульдой - 1й статик - Корректируется перед Ульдой (Слоты ЕСТЬ), 2й статик - формируется прямо сейчас (Ваш шанс) - Веселая и дружная компания. Постоянные рофлы в Дискорде.Помогаем другу другу во всех аспектах игры ! В данный момент очень простой порог вхождения в основной состав. !! Вы можете заинвайтиться как претендентом на рейдера так и Казуалом. По всем вопросам в ПМ в ДИСКОРД: Rokerz#4573
  6. Hello, my name is Xemni, and I've been playing rogue for quite some time now (about 10 or so years). I intended to type this up initially and send it to a friend whom requested information on how to play the class, but seeing as I've seen a few players on the server doing questionable things, I figured i'd make this thread instead for those that would like some quick information to get the ball rolling playing what I consider one of the most fun classes in the game. 1. Talents You have two talent trees you typically play with, as a Muti rogue, and you'll likely end up using both if you're progressing through content. The first one you take is: 51/13/7 Updated You're going to take this talent build earlier on. Mainly because your gear isn't in enough shape to put out enough energy return, or the damage to go deeper into combat as apposed to sub, so 5 points in relentless strikes helps you keep that energy flow going a bit, but this talent does start to lose its usefulness as your crit and haste get a bit higher up there. The haste from the combat tree starts to get more appealing to take, once you start getting more attack power as well. At about 4k - 4.5k GS, you can start running something like this: 51/18/2 Updated. At this point with your gear, you should have sufficient enough stats that you can drop the 5 points you had in Relentless strikes, and pick up the other 2 points in imp dags for that crit, and lightning reflexes for that haste (calculator doesn't show it, but check your talent tree in game to see what it offers) 4k - 4.5k is an estimate, if you find your self with more than enough energy, and you aren't feeling starved, you should be fine to take this build. You'll also want the haste as your attack power starts getting to 4k, as the EP value for Haste shoots up once you get that amount of attack power, you should be nearing that amount unbuffed around 4k - 4.5k GS. Both talent builds are modular to a degree. If you want improved SnD, you can take two points out of dagger spec for it, but you may end up not needing imp SnD because of how much envenoming you should be doing, so the crit is likely more beneficial. 2. Stat Priority You're a rogue, your main stat is of course agility. I'm not going to go super in depth in this, but keeping to the following, you should do alright: Get your hit to 315. Spell cap for your poisons. You don't need more than this, and considering you have a good raid comp, you may even be able to run less, but 315 is the magic number. 26/26 Expertise. Once you've met both those criteria, you next focus is your attack power. Don't gem straight attack power, 1 point of Agility will be typically worth more than 1 point of Attack Power, but you're aiming for about 4000 or so attack power unbuffed . Once you hit this, you're going haste. Crit is more valuable than armor penetration, so the items you're looking for should have a combination of Attack Power, Haste, Crit, also Hit and Expertise, assuming you aren't capped. Do keep in mind, this isn't in depth. If you want a better of idea of what stats you should be aiming for, I recommend building a spread sheet, and running simulations. I feel around 4k Attack power is a pretty safe area to switch to haste focus, but if you want an exact answer, you're going to want to sim. 3. Glyphs You want: Glyph of Hunger for Blood. Pretty straight forward, more free damage. This is a must have. Glyph of Mutilate. Reduces the energy cost of your main combo point builder. This is also a must. Glyph of Fan of Knives. Great choice to help with AoE, this isn't required, but I recommend it if you're the only rogue in your 25 man, other wise you can take.. Glyph of Tricks of the Trade. Ideally, you and the rogue are going to be trading this for the 15% damage boost it gives you guys. This glyph reduces the cool down. I'd say this is a must have when you get 2 piece T10, or if you have a rogue in your 25 man. As far as minor, take what you want. I recommend both Glyph of Safe Fall, and Glyph of Vanish however. I also like sprint, but its up to what you like. Ideally, dual spec to swap between Tricks Glyphs and FoK Glyphs to min max fights. You can also just carry the glyphs, I forget if you can actually swap them mid raid or not. Haven't played wrath in a hot minuet at the point of this posts last edit. 4. The Basics Instant Poison on your main hand, and Deadly Poison on your off hand. You want the faster weapon in your off hand. Your damage is going to primarily come from your instant poison damage, and you apply it often through your Envenom buff. The idea behind this class is to keep Hunger for Blood up 100% of the time, SnD up 100% of the time, and to keep Envenom rolling for as long as possible. With your talents, Envenom refreshes SnD to its 5 point maximum, so keeping this buff up requires no effort. Hunger for Blood requires a bleed on the enemy target to use this ability. If you have classes in your raid that can toss a bleed up, then you don't have to worry about bleeding the target your self, but if you do not have a class that consistently applies a bleed to the target, you'll usually just use a 1 point rupture to refresh this. It is important to note that this is the only use for Rupture you're going to have. I know the set bonuses all increase your ruptures damage in T7 and 8, but this is a noob trap for Muti rogues. Just don't. To start a fight, assuming your raid is doing pull timers, wait for a second or two before pull, pop a potion of speed, and stealth. From there, you can do the following openers: With someone in raid applying bleed - Hunger for Blood, Mutilate, SnD, Mutilate, Envenom, Trinkets (if on use), Mutilate up to 4 or 5 Combo Points, Cold Blood, Envenom. wait for Envenom buff to get to 0 seconds, before you envenom again. You'll be doing your best to keep envenom up as often as you can, while keeping Hunger for Blood up. You have a talent called Overkill, which increases your energy regeneration for a set amount of time. When this expires, you can vanish and just continue doing your rotation, as vanish will pop overkill back on for a few more seconds, in some cases, it can also reset your haste potion as well, meaning you have the opportunity to use 3 per fight on some occasions. Doesn't always work, but when it does, its nice. If no one in your raid can apply a bleed - Open with Garrote, Hunger for Blood, SnD, Mutilate, Envenom, trinkets (if you have on use), Mutilate (1 or 2), Cold Blood, Envenom. Then continue along with the rotation from the first bullet point. The only difference here is every 60 seconds, you're going to have to throw up a 1 or 2 point rupture, and reapply Hunger for Blood. You do not want to let your energy cap, and you do not want to waste combo points. What I mean by wasting combo points, is if you're sitting at 4 points already, don't mutilate. You're wasting 1 - 2 Combo points, as it generates 2 non crit, and 3 with crit. Just Envenom at 4 combo points if you get it to 4. Its not worth using another ability to get the 1 combo point either. Just Envenom and continue on. If you have an envenom rolling still, and you have 4 or 5 cp's ready for another Envenom, just wait for the buff to fall off. Overlapping the buff is just wasting energy, and time on the buff. The idea is to stretch it out as long as possible, to get more instant poisons in. If you're required to use another poison, other than Deadly and Instant, Drop instant and apply the poison you'll be needing to your main hand. Like using Anesthetic poison to help with Gluth enrages, if you need your hunters working on Zombie Chow. Something to note, as mentioned by someone in the comments, you can try picking up a 1.3 swing speed dagger on the AH, and put the poison you'll need on that, and use a weapon swap macro and either auto attack the buff off Gluth, or Shiv it. As I commented right after, a death knight in our guild was playing around with this concept with their runes, to see if it was worth stacking Razorice and switching to Cinderglacier, and he found that when he did this, his runes stopped proccing. You may wish to try this on a dummy before you take this idea into a raid just to make sure your enchants and poisons still proc when you swap weapons, as I haven't tested this my self yet. 5. Misc. and Closing Some rogues will say Double Berserking is the way to go, while others will say Berserking on the main hand, with Mongoose on the off hand is the way. Numbers are comparable, with double berserking pulling ahead. Double berserking is also typically cheaper than grabbing Mongoose, but if for whatever reason Mongoose is just that much cheaper than Berserking, you're probably fine to grab one mongoose if you're struggling to make money. Shoulder enchants from Hodir Honored, and Wintergrasp are comparable. Hodir honored is obviously better, and exalted Hodir is most definitely better, but if you're in a pinch and need a quick enchant, the Wintergrasp shoulder enchant is not that much worse than the Hodir Honored enchant. I'm not going to leave a BiS list here, as I firmly believe in making your own, and what i'd consider BiS may differ from what another person may consider BiS, as if you're doing your best to min max, you would be considering things like raid comp for how much hit you're going to prio on your gear, which may open up for more damage oriented items, or maybe if you don't have things like Misery or a Draenei, you have to take more hit over straight damage items. That being said, there are some typical obvious choices for some items, like Fury of the Five Flights, as an example. So as you're looking at BiS lists, try and consider why it is they chose the items they did, and figure out if thats going to work for you. I'm not going to leave gems here, because i'm lazy. However, you can check this site out for ez gem research http://www.gemfinder.ga/ you ideally are going to gem Hit, and Expertise, to cap, and then Agility and Haste. You also want a nightmare tear to complete your meta requirement, or whatever the blue equivalent is called. I dont' remember the name, but I believe you want the agility and crit damage meta. Relentless Earthsiege Diamond, I believe its called. With all this being said, I find success with this class, with this information. This should be enough information for you to play this class reliably. If you're ever in need of a question being answered about Rogue, Xemni on the alliance, is always down to answer a question or two!
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  8. INTRODUCTION: Hey there fellow Hordie! We're a casual PvE raiding guild, that is currently trying to build its core group for the 25-man raids such as Naxx and upcoming Ulduar. We've cleared Naxx 10 but now wish to do progress in the 25-man raiding. We've an interesting implementation of an idea of rolling for gear which give everyone the chance to at least win 1 piece of gear from the raid! We've got a good number of people that have the knowledge of the boss mechanics of the raid so beginners are not to fear failure, we'll manage anything, together! RAIDING: Our raids are organized during the weekends, usually Sunday (we decide upon peoples votes but it's definitely weekends) usually around 6-7 and max 8 PM Server Time AKA European Time. We're doing Naxx 10, OS 10-25, VOA 10-15 and EoE 10-25 weekly and using discord is a must *listening is good enough, don't have to talk if you're shy * But now we wish to build a core group for Naxx 25 and upcoming Ulduar pug free! WE'RE IN NEED OF: -Range DPS: Balance Druid and Warlocks. -Mele DPS: Warriors and Combat Rouge. And most importantly, everyone else! We're also a social guild which accepts players bellow 80. FINAL NOTE: Although we're a casual raiding guild and not really strict about being "MORE DPS THAN YOUR SKILLS AND GEAR CAN MANAGE AND ALL THAT" we do ask of you "if you're interested in becoming a core member raider" to have the minimum required gear for the raid, have it full gemmed and enchanted and to meet the minimum required "dps,hps" for the raid and to at least read some articles or watch youtube videos, just to get the picture of what the bosses look like, what their mechanics are and what to expect over all. *We'll still be explaining over Discord, don't worry!* I would like to thank you personally for paying attention and i hope to see you amongst our ranks and raiding with us! You can contact me either here, more preferred Discord: Voksin#1837 or in-game: Beatfox
  9. yellow

    LF PVE Guild

    Druid resto 3.6k gs looking for guild. I have 15/15 naxx 10man, 1/1 OS 10man, 1/1 OS 25man. I have also off spec on feral tank.
  10. Hello. Russian Hardcore guild "Synesthesia" is recruiting exp.players (pref. HPala and Rdps) Achievments: Realm First! Conqueror of Naxxramas Loot System: Council Loot Raid times: 17:00 – 21:00ST (20:00 – 24:00 MSK) Main Raid: Wednesday Second 25 group - this monday (9/12/19) Recruting: DPS, Hpals What do we expect from you? - you have raiding experience and are always willing to min/max your DPS/HPS - you are a team player and always put guilds interests in front of your own - 100% attendance If you have interest to join us, pm me on discord - [ ] #2139, In game - Jays or here and I will answer all questions
  11. Всем привет. В связи с запуском нового сервера, открыт набор по все классам в хардкор гильдию "Synesthesia" (Орда) для формирования третьего рейда(25). Так же готовы рассмотреть Вас в качестве мейн рейдера участвующего в прогрессе. Что мы можем предложить: - дружелюбный коллектив; - максимально эффективный рейдинг (для участников третьего состава - 1 вечер в неделю); Что мы ожидаем от рейдеров: - 2 профессии бустящих ваш класс (не собирательные, кроме майнинга для танков) - Фулл пре-рейд БиС гир, фрост резист гир (3 вещи); - Фулл чанты (берсеркер, 63спд и т.п.), фласки, поты (пре-поты), флейм капы; - Рейд тайм – 20:00 – 24:00 (+1 час овертайма при необходимости) по МСК. Рейдовые дни будут объявлены ближе к открытию рейдов; - 100% посещаемость рейдов. Система распределения лута: - Консул лут. По любым вопросам можете писать мне в дискорд: [ ] #2139
  12. Druid Bear Bis List Survival 3.3.5 PvE The biggest problem in choosing items for the Bear is hit raiting. Most biss items not have hit raiting so you need to choose build which will has hit cap and the greatest survival. I present the best selection of items for a bear to survive. |Item|Gem 1|Gem 2|Gem 3|Enchant Head: Head: Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard | Austere Earthsiege Diamond | Shifting Dreadstone | Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector Neck: Neck: Bile-Encrusted Medallion Shoulders: Shoulders: Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads | Greater Inscription of the Gladiator Back: Back: Sentinel's Winter Cloak | Vivid Eye of Zul | Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Mighty Armor Chest: Chest: Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder | Scroll of Enchant Chest - Super Healt(most survival) or Scroll of Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats(better treat and mitigation) The best ench on chest is Heavy Borean Armor Kit but on sunwell: 1 stamina = 9.94 health so 18 stamina = 178.92 hp 18 stamina +bok(10%) = 1968.812 hp 250hp>18 stamina on sunwell Wrist: Wrist: Armbands of Dark Determination | Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Major Stamina < Umbrage Armbands is better but the difference between stats is the smallest compared to other items. Hit raiting and 2 slot for gem decided to choose Armbands of Dark Determination. Hands: Ręce: uświęcone uchwyty lasherweave | Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Precision Waist: Talia: Szew Cinch Astryliana Feet: Stopy: (most survival) or Podnóżki Zbliżającej się Śmierci (better theat) | Zwój Zaklętych Butów - Większa hartowność or Zwój Zaklętych Butów - Witalność Tuskarra (improve speed) Legs: Nogi: Uświęcone Ochraniacze Lasherweave | Pancerz Nogi Frosthide Finger1: Palec 1: Wiecznie zimny pierścień Devium Finger 2: Finger 2: Ashen Band of Endless Courage | Żywe Oko Zul We need a finger with hit raiting raiting, so this will be the best option, but if you have another finger with a ashen verdict reputation, the second choice Krwawego Pierścienia Obrzydliwości . These fingers have less survival than Band of the Twin Val'kyr > Ring of Binding are better, but the difference between statistics is the smallest compared to other items. Trinket 1: Talizman 1: Nieskazitelny kieł Sindragosy Trinket2: Juggernaut's Vitality Idol: Idol: Idol Płaczącego Księżyca Weapon: Broń: Gniewny Gladiator's Greatstaff | Scroll of Enchant Weapon - Mongoose or Scroll of Enchant Weapon - Drenaż krwi I prefer Zwój Zaklętej Broni - Spuszczanie Krwi, because it heals from 360 to 2200 if you take less than 30% health / 30 seconds of cooldown With this build we have 218 hit raiting. 3 x Vivid Eye of Zul and Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Precision will allow you to get a hit cap. Gems: Red: Solid Majestic Zircon (most survival) Shifting Dreadstone (better threat and mitigation) Blue: Solid Majestic Zircon Yello: Solid Majestic Zircon or Vivid Eye of Zul, if you don't have hit cap.
  13. Valjan

    RP Interest

    Would anyone be interested in forming an RP-PvX style guild? I'd like to foster RP on this server for those who enjoy that aspect of the game for both Alliance and Horde (cross faction RP) though I admit to personal Horde preferences. I'd like to gauge what potential RP partners might like to have in a guild and build from there.
  14. Mshate

    [H-PvE] She Had Me at Lok Tar

    Greetings, We are a group of experienced players that has already cleared TBC content on other private servers and retail. We have decided to regroup once again for a new challenge on Nightbane. Our core is a mix of both NA and EU players since the guild was first established on another server about 3 years ago, for this reason we will be raiding Saturday & Sunday 8PM Server time (EU) / 2PM (EST NA). What we expect from you: • Team player attitude, we don’t want loot drama whores or anything of the like, gear is a means to an end whilst progression is ongoing, this is the mindset we would like our raid team to have. • Know your class, whilst we will certainly always help, we will not be literally holding your hand. You are expected to at least have an understanding of your class in a raiding environment. • We only have two raid days at the moment, 90% attendance is mandatory, if you cannot commit to this please do not apply for the raid team, explain you wish to be casual in your application. (If you apply as casual DO NOT expect a raid spot when raid nights happen unless we need bodies) • As the server is fresh and money is tight, we can compromise with 1 gathering profession, we will expect you to have a plan for a second profession that will provide benefit to the raids. However it is mandatory that you have at least 1 profession that will contribute to the raid and your class at this moment. As we progress further you will be expected to have both profs that benefit the raid comp. • We use discord and expect you to be able to be accessible through it, and would prefer if you had a mic and can speak. If you are an important class to the raid comp such as a tank or healer and have to make calls it will be expected of you to be able to communicate through voice. What to expect from us: • Loot Council raids (our officer core is experienced and knows the best place the guild will need the gear, trust in the process you will get gear fairly) • Experienced players with a good attitude, you will not be screamed at and in a toxic environment and we expect the same from you. • While we raid 2 nights a week at the moment we will be clearing content with that as our main goal, we will be prepared on our end to move forward through bosses quickly and efficiently. Come prepared for that. • Raid nights and rosters will be posted in advance as soon as we know what we expect to be coming to the raid, we will communicate all necessary information to you at least a day or two before raid night so you can be prepared. Classes we are recruiting: • Shamans of all specs • Protection Paladin • Retribution Paladin • Beast Master and Survival Hunter • Restoration Druid • Balance Druid • Mage • Shadow & Holy Priests If you feel this sounds good to you, please apply at shmalt-nightbane.shivtr.com and whisper one of our officers in game. Shadowhate/Mshate Vindawg Tiosan Pallysk
  15. sudoret


    SOUNDCLOUD RAPPERS is a group of friends retired from the NA raiding scene, with varying rankings around world 100 throughout all expansions, we've come to agree that retail is currently a mess and we're looking to go back in time for some fun, slay some dragons, have a drink, laugh a lot, talk some big shit, and make some new friends in the process to make our time more enjoyable. Let's get some things straight about who we are. We are a group of incredibly thick skinned individuals who talk shit to each other on the daily. If you get upset about me telling you your damage sucks when you kill yourself on a boss pull, we are not the guild for you. We are not looking for members related to drama or inability to control their free time. If you have to go randomly once in a blue moon for an emergency, that's perfectly fine. Every 15 minutes and you'll be back on these forums looking for a new guild. Why join SOUNDCLOUD RAPPERS? Proven leadership with deep retail experience in slaying online dragons to loot their pixels with great efficiency. We strive to always kill bosses faster than before with less mistakes. The mindset in our raid environment is simply to kill everything as fast as possible to have fun playing other games with each other. We also offer an incredible time meeting new friends, a community for growth, and some fire ass music to boot. Raid Days & Times This is where you come in. Raid days and times have not been set, we are actively recruiting former raiding friends who would like to raid old content and take a long break from retail. Estimated 2-3 days a week, likely later times as many people have lives, and hopping on WoW immediately after getting home is stupid. Relax, have a drink and some food. We'd rather have you come prepared than be rushed and make stupid mistakes. Role Availability & Applying Applying is very simple, there is a short application template asking for some information about what you want to play, age, and for a strong meme. https://discord.gg/udvndem SOUNDCLOUD RAPPERS is always looking for exceptional talent of any class and spec. If your put up big numbers and talk big shit, we want what you're selling. Melee DPS Rogue: OPEN Warrior: OPEN Shaman: OPEN Paladin: CLOSED Druid: OPEN Ranged DPS Hunter: OPEN Mage: OPEN Warlock: OPEN Priest: OPEN Shaman: OPEN Healers: Paladin: OPEN Priest: OPEN Druid: OPEN Shaman: OPEN Tanks Paladin: OPEN Warrior: OPEN Druid: OPEN
  16. Szomszéd

    <Just a Good Cave> (HUN) /Alliance/

    Üdvözlök mindenkit! Keressetek bátran minket! Welcome traveler! The Just A Good Cave is the server's biggest Hungarian community on the Alliance side. We are currently recruiting all Hungarian players. Check out our website and contact us today. Have a wonderful day. Best regards Flyingmelon-Guild leader Mondják, hogy minden kezdet nehéz...a miénk sem volt másként! https://justagoodcave.webnode.hu/ A Klánt egy régi WOTLK szerveren működő guild megmaradt tagjai alapították. A legszebb emlékeink a BC kiegészítőkhöz fűződnek, és csodával határos módon, éppen indult egy új szerver, hogy ezeket az élményeket feleleveníthessük. A kezdeti nehézségek ellenére, egy működő raid képes guildet igyekszünk összerakni. Azokat a magyar játékosokat várjuk, akik imádják a nosztalgikus élményt és szeretnék újra átélni a BC legfelejthetetlenebb raidjeit és pillanatait. Közös célunk, hogy olyan csapatot alkossunk, akik nem csak jól érzik magukat, élvezik a játékot, de a raideket is komolyan veszik. No nem kell megrémülni, nálunk nincs szükség arra, hogy minden időd a Klánnak add, mi a középútra törekszünk. Akkor játszol, amikor tudsz. Annyi időt játszol, amennyit tudsz. Van pár feltétele a raidelésnek, ha ezeket teljesíted, nálunk nyert ügyed van! Nem csak a komoly raider csapatok összekovácsolására koncentrálunk, célunk, hogy megértő, kedves és becsületes magyar közösséget építsünk. Ha az elképzelésünk, céljaink találkoznak a Tiéddel, szeretnél velünk játszani, egy olyan közösségben, amit egy ütőképes, korrekt vezetői csapat moderál, csatlakozz! Amennyiben felkeltettük érdeklődésedet. Keress minket bátran akár in-game, facebookon vagy az alábbi linken.. https://justagoodcave.webnode.hu/
  17. Tomcat

    [H-PvE] Time Walkers

    EDIT: Guild is Closed. ENG: Time Walkers is a fresh project created by few friends from old HellGround, WarGate, and finally Ares. Ye... We are truly TBC lovers . We wanna Time Walkers to be focused on PvE, but good PvP Premade will be always welcome. We don't wanna use typical DKP loot system, we prefer more democratic ways to handle it . Our main goal is create the comunity with out isolated officer castes. Here, every one will have have oportunity to say what he thinks and his voice will be heard. About future of Time Walkers... well, we decide about it together. Who is our target: Mostly Polish ppl but if you are English speaking player we will welcome you as well. And Ye... You dont have to be pro, we all do mistakes. But we require you to have an open mind, good attitude and open to suggestion. For recruitment - visit our webside -> Apply on https://timewalkers.wowhordes.com/ (If you will have problem with translation, leave it... and just /whisper us in Game -> Agson, Zapalka, Tomcat, Uragogus. We'r gona do it "live" ) CY in Azeroth! _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ PL: Time Walkers to nowy projekt stworzony przez grupkę przyjaciół z starego dobrego HellGrounda, później WarGate i finalnie z Aresa... Tak TBC lovers . Guild docelowo ma być nastawiona na progres PvE, ale dobrym Premade BG też nie pogardzimy. Z założenia chcemy oderwać się od sztywnego DKP i przejść na bardziej... hmmm... demokratyczny sposób rozdawnictwa lootu. Chcemy stworzyć Gildię z nastawieniem na graczy, bez sztywnych odizolowanych zamkniętych kast oficerskich. Tutaj każdego zdanie będzie się liczyć, a o przyszłości Gildii zadecydujemy wspólnie. Kto jest naszym targetem: Polsko języczny gracz, który nie boi się odezwać na Discordzie, najchętniej pełnoletni i koniecznie zrównoważony psychicznie - przynajmniej w stopniu minimalnym. Jeżeli nie jesteś pro ogarem, to nic, każdy kiedyś zaczynał... uszy do góry! Mimo wielu lat gry na TBC sami też się ciągle uczymy. Co jest kluczem? Wymagamy zarówno od siebie, za czym idzie będziemy z pewnością wymagać również od Ciebie odpowiedniego nastawienia, otwartości na sugestię, chęci testowania swojej klasy i ciągłego podnoszenia przysłowiowej "poprzeczki". Są wśród nas ludzie pracujący, studenci... dyrektorzy banków, osoby z rodzinami, nawet jest jeden hodowca grzybów i innych dziwnych paskudztw - więc raczej z założenia nie maniaczymy 24/7 w grze. Bawimy się wspólnie i wspólnie jak już dobijemy do 70tki ustalimy godziny raidowe. Rekrutacja odbywa się przez złożenie Appki na forum -> https://timewalkers.wowhordes.com/ - jak to zrobić? Prosta sprawa: Krok 1. po wejściu na naszą stronkę w prawym górnym roku jest przycisk [Apply] - po jego kliknięciu zarejestruj się na forum, następnie zostaniesz automatycznie przekierowany do szablonu rekrutacyjnego. Krok 2. Wypełnij. Krok 3. Sprawdzaj swoją aplikację [View My App] - możemy mieć pytania w trakcie rekrutacji, tam też finalnie pojawi się wynik, zawsze też możesz coś dopowiedzieć _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ (z uwagi na bardzo duże zainteresowanie rekrutacyjne, by zachować balans wewnętrzny w guild, potrzebujemy już powoli zawężać grono rekrutowanych klas) We are looking to recruit the following / poszukujemy następujących klas: Priest Healer - CLOSED Priest Shadow - open (1 slot) Shaman Resto - open (2 slot) Shaman Enh - open (1 slot) Shaman Ele - open (2 slot) Paladin Retri - CLOSED Paladin Prot - CLOSED Paladin Healer - CLOSED Warrior Prot - CLOSED Warrior Arms - CLOSED Warrior Fury - CLOSED Rogue - CLOSED Hunter - open (1 slot) Druid Feral Tank - open (1 slot) Druid Feral DPS - CLOSED Druid Bala - CLOSED Druid Resto - open (1 slot) Mage - open (2 slot) Warlock - open (3 slot) Best Regards, Pozdrawiamy, ekipa Time Walkers. ING: Zapalka, Uragogus, Website: https://timewalkers.wowhordes.com/ EDIT: Guild is Closed.
  18. Qui sommes-nous ? Comme le titre l'indique, la guilde <Sur le papier on est bon> est une guilde PVE française qui fera son bout de chemin côté horde. L’avantage de notre projet, c’est que le noyau de la guilde est composé de joueurs ayant déjà joué ensembles sur d'autres serveur (notamment warmane). Ce qui nous permet également de mettre des personnes « de confiance » sur les rôles clef tels que les main tank et les classes à optimisation de raid, et donc de ne pas perdre de temps à remplacer des gens qui ne font pas l’affaire sur ces rôles là. Nous sommes un noyau d’une quinzaine de joueurs, des joueurs ayant déjà fait leur preuves dans un roster de raid. Quels sont nos objectifs ? Notre objectif est clair : clean le contenu PvE HL en temps et heure ; c'est-à-dire le plus tôt possible afin d'être prêt à chaque nouveau contenu disponible. Il s'agit donc dans un premier temps d'atteindre et de clean le T5 afin d'être fin prêt pour l'arrivée d'Hyjal. Le PvE HL sur TBC est exigeant en terme de disponibilités et de sérieux, et c'est donc logiquement ce que nous attendons de nos joueurs. Nous souhaitons nous donner les moyens d'atteindre cet objectif ce qui implique évidemment que les joueurs qui ne seraient pas suffisamment sérieux ou ayant des disponibilités trop réduites seront remplacés pour la bonne progression de la guilde. Notre avancée PVE : KARAZHAN : 11/11 GRUUL : 2/2 Actuellement nous avons deux roster kara qui tournent, nous sommes donc une vingtaine de joueurs, il nous reste 4/5 places de raideur ainsi que des slots de remplaçants. Comment fonctionne le recrutement ? Nous recherchons avant tout des joueurs motivés, réguliers et compétents. Nous recherchons de très bons joueurs bien évidemment, mais une candidature d'un joueur "moyen" mais motivé à l'idée de progresser, capable d'écouter nos conseils sera toujours étudié. Une période de test est organisée pendant 1 à 3 semaines afin de pouvoir évaluer le joueur. Il faut être disponible au moins 2 soirs par semaine mais l'idéal reste 3. Le recrutement : Actuellement, notre recrutement reste ouvert à toutes les classes, car nous avons pour politique d’attribuer chaque slot de raid au mérite, et donc de le laisser à une libre concurrence, pour faire simple, si vous êtes meilleur et plus motivé que les autres, c’est vous qui serez pris en raid ;) Certains slots sont toutefois déjà limités car nous avons fait en sorte que les rôles clefs (tanks/classes à optimisation de raid) soient déjà attribués afin de ne pas avoir de mauvaises surprises dans notre progress. Les classes/spé en forte demande : - Paladin heal - Chaman heal - Paladin ret - Chasseur - Mage - Démoniste Les classes/spé en demande modérée : - Druide tank - Druide heal - Prêtre heal - Guerrier dps - Chaman élémentaire - Druide équilibre - Voleur Les classes/spé en faible demande : - War tank - Paladin tank - Chaman amélioration - Prêtre ombre Pour ces rôles ci, les slots de raid ne sont pas garantis et demanderont à la personne concernée de faire ses preuves sur la durée afin d’être elligible à un poste de titulaire. A l'avenir, nous espérons compléter notre roster puis de tendre vers un roster optimisé et avec suffisamment de remplaçant pour pouvoir tourner. (typiquement, les raid 25 étant la base, tourner aux environs de 30/35 joueurs nous parait acceptable pour pouvoir palier aux imprévus, ainsi que faire tourner les joueurs n'assurant que 2 soirs par semaine). Nous maintiendrons le topic à jours afin de passer certains slot en limités lorsqu'ils seront suffisament pourvus. Cela ne veut pas dire que vous ne pourrez pas vous faire une place si vous êtes motivés, réguliers et compétents. On accepte toujours ce genre de joueurs. Fonctionnement de la guilde : Souhaitant progresser sur le contenu rapidement dès l’ouverture du serveur et sans prendre de retard, nous ferons 3 soirs de raid par semaine, de 20h45 à 0h00, pour un pull à 21h (heure française, heure du serveur, GMT +1). Nos soirs de raid : Mardi/Jeudi/Dimanche. L’attribution du butin se fera bien entendu en loot council entre GM et officiers, en priorisant l’avancée du roster (ainsi dans la majorité des cas : tank>heal>dps), tout en récompensant les joueurs les plus investis. Mais plus encore : Je vous informe que certains de nos membres sont également avides de PVP, il vous est donc possible de nous rejoindre si vous souhaitez simplement une guilde française pour trouver des mates de bg/d'arène, ceci dit, gardez à l'esprit que la priorité de la guilde restera le PVE (typiquement, venez pas demander à votre mate raideur de faire vos matchs un soir de raid :D). On accepte également les gens souhaitant jouer en casu/social. Vous pouvez post ici ou ajouter ces contacts sur discord pour plus d'infos : Zeza#8306, malumo#9975, Chica#9970 Ou wisp les personnes suivantes IG : Zezaerg, Zezavnr, Kniasse, Pp, Cortisone, Toxicpapa, Toxicmama
  19. Shann

    [H] PL- PvE Lunatic-Asylum

    Powstała w 2008 roku gildia PvE Lunatic Asylum, pragnie ogłosić nabór dla doświadczonych graczy PvE, jak i starych wyjadaczy którzy już z nami kiedyś grali na różnych serwerach. Jesteśmy zgraną i doświadczoną ekipą,cały skład officerski ma wiele lat doświadczenia w prowadzeniu raidów. Chcemy z łatwością i z małym nakładem czasu eliminować wszystkie bossy na dodatku Burning Crusade,dodatek jest stary i oczekujemy od graczy,że każdy będzie zaznajomiony z taktykami,swoją klasą i specem. Naszym głównym zamiarem jest bezproblemowe czyszczenie contentu i walka o Polską Top Gildie. 3 dni raidowe : środa/nd/pn 19:45-23:00 System Lootu : DKP Strona gildii w budowie: lunatic-asylum.net Teamspeak: Lunatic-asylum.net discord: https://discord.gg/t5WjMc W sprawie inva proszę pisać w grze do: Shann,Mertii,Quadro,Bunrak.
  20. maicolmargiotta

    [A][Kingdom of Tamara] [EU/ITA] GUILD

    EU/ITA]< Kingdom of Tamara> recuit players for future 10 and 25 man roster. Our Raid leader have a big experience in tbc raid on retail/private server Raid time 7:30 gtm+1. Wisp Krondor in game for more info or apply to https://kingdomoftamaraita.shivtr.com/
  21. Nieznajomy

    [H-Pve] Amelinium

    [EN] <Amelinium> polish guild is looking for more players to complete our raid squad on Nightbane server. We've been around for almost four years when we founded our guild on the Nostalrius server. Since then we have been present on vanilla, tbc and wotlk servers. We have a good lineup of veterans who have known each other for many years and have extensive experience in raiding on tbc. Our main goal is to gather great team for the upcomming wow classic. We are focused mainly on the pve content but there are also a lot of pvp enthusiasts here. Raid times: sundays and thursdays between 20-23. Loot council. Healers and casters are mostly. You can find more information on our discord: https://discord.gg/E4RVAEV And fanpage: https://www.facebook.com/AmeliniumWoW FOR THE HORDE [PL] <Amelinium> poszukuje graczy do uzupełnienia składu raidowego na serwerze Nightbane. Istniejemy od prawie czterech lat gdy założyliśmy gildię na serwerze Nostalrius. Od tego czasu jesteśmy obecni na serwerach vanilla, tbc oraz wotlk. Posiadamy dobry skład weteranów gildii znających się od wielu lat i posiadających duże doświadczenie w raidowaniu na dodatku tbc. Naszym głównym celem jest zebranie zgranej ekipy na wow Classic, którego premiera nastąpi w połowie przyszłego roku. Jesteśmy gildią nastawioną głównie na grę pve lecz znajdzie się u nas również sporo zapaleńców pvp. Raidy będą odbywały się w czwartki i niedziele w godzinach 19-23. System lootu- LC. Głównie poszukujemy healerow i casterow Więcej informacji znajdziecie na naszym discordzie: https://discord.gg/E4RVAEV Zapraszamy też na fanpage: https://www.facebook.com/AmeliniumWoW FOR THE HORDE
  22. PL TZM to gildia z wieloletnim stażem, grająca na wielu serwerach takich jak HellGround, ToD, Atlantiss, Ares. Zgrana oficerka z bardzo dużym doświadczeniem w prowadzeniu zarówno gildii jak i raidów. Nasz cel to progres całego kontentu PvE. Tym razem planujemy rozpocząć naszą przygodę po stronie hordy. Wszystkie osoby które znów chcą poczuć klimat TBC są mile widziane. Jeśli szukasz gildii, dla której liczy się coś więcej niż "piksele", to trafiłeś w dobre miejsce. Jeśli chcesz do nas dołączyć zapraszamy na nasze forum, gdzie możecie zarówno złożyć samo podanie, jak i dowiedzieć się o nas czegoś więcej. Jeśli macie jakieś wątpliwości, pytania, zapraszamy na nasz kanał Discorda, gdzie codziennie możecie znaleźć kogoś z Oficerki. Z przyjemnością odpowiemy na Wasze pytania. ENG We are the guild with many years of experience which has been playing on numerous servers such us HellGround, ToD, Atlantiss, Ares. Well-organised officers who have great experience in leading the guild and carrying out raids. Our primary target is to progress whole PVE content. This time we start our adventure on Horde side. If You care for more than just a game itself, you came to the right place. Willing to feel TBC vibe once again? Interested in joning our ranks? Visit our forum, where You can apply and learn more about TZM. Your are welcome to join us on Discord, where our officers will answer any of Your questions. Website: http://www.tzm-guild.cba.pl Discord: http://www.discord.gg/P5V8zkC
  23. SebekSqrwiel


  24. Theeda


    [EN] Hello, we're a group of semi decent internet famous people! we are looking forward to tbc until summer when classic comes! we're looking for 30 people to join our raid team! at the moment we have about ten people from our classic guild that wants to do tbc, we're looking for 20 others at least! We're doing dkp zero system! it will be explained later! Our discord is run by kargoz and the mods! Dkp zero system is a mathematical system that work like this. over eight bosses and we have 14 pieces that have the following prices: 10,15,22,35,60,10,5,10,20,25,36,44,12,2 we have these in a plus then divided by the amount of people, IE. 306/25 giving 12,24 so all members will be given 12,24 so over 25 raid when everyone get the items we need the dkp system should be in balance but to do that we have a set price per item preset! If you are interested in joining the guild, please contact me on the forum or Discord. Raid Days: Monday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday Discord will be given upon acceptance. Loot system: DKP zero system Officers: Bukk, Irish, Kargoz GM Theeda Sorry for my bad English
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