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  1. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    What exactly are you claiming about Angrathar? Because any claim you make can easily be refuted. Alliance had by far the largest twink guild, as well as the third largest twink guild. They had more twinks in the top 100 kills, as you can go see for yourself, even now. Any claim that Angrathar was imbalanced in horde's favour is silly. There may have been days, even weeks when horde won more games, but this is normal on any server where things swing back an forth. It was nothing like Frosthold and any attempt to equate them shows you did not play for any length of time on Angrathar. I don't know who you played back then, but it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say blocking twinking was an elegant solution. But it's the only one left. You and other ally twinks' idiocy forced the admins' hands. You can't blame anyone but yourself.
  2. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    I played some games, enough to see what was what this time around. In the games I saw alliance always had a minimum of 2 proper twinks, plus a myriad of what you might call temporary twinks, those you described before who are high level and having some fun before 80, getting some easy honor (and they know every game will be easy). I'm not sure the distinction really matters. From the point of view of the horde levellers, those are all twinks. I saw enough to know the situation was repeating itself. And I saw plenty enough first time around to know how it would go. And if the admins hadn't stepped in, would things have got better or got even worse? I think we both know the answer. Your denial of the obvious on this point is pretty pathetic. Also, who cares if you're solo queuing? Who even brought that up? If you're only facing levellers and you're beating them up 50 times a day, that still makes you pathetic, premade or not. The point is you were exploiting an unfair situation and the admins stopped you. I'm glad, personally. This mage is far from imaginary. There were countless examples of exactly this. And it's not like I'm defending him. He's scum leeching xp by afking. The problem was that that basically described the whole horde team, every game, once they realised they had 0 chance of winning due to the imbalance. The twinks exploiting this for "literally free honor" are also scum and confirm all the worst stereotypes about twinks. You had zero problem with this situation a few weeks ago. You were enjoying yourself and described it as a "horde problem". Well those horde levellers solved their problem. Now it's you with the problem. Ha. Alright. Have fun with that. Yes those "current frosthold players on the alliance side" who all decided to roll one faction in order to stomp levellers. Then started bellyaching when admins stepped in to ruin their fun. Them. Angrathar had twinks on both sides. Alliance were somewhat stronger actually. But your comment here reveals you know nothing. I don't care if you graveyard camp levellers. I'm just pointing out that if you do so, non stop, all day every day they will get their own back by shutting you down due to their sea of tickets and complaints. Which then kills twinking and makes the server not worth playing on. A situation you could easily have avoided by, oh you know, having some of your friends roll the other faction so not all games were like that? But as I said, you confirm all the worst stereotypes of twinks, so in the end I can only conclude that justice was served. Yeah for sure. They must be pretty pissed off at the 79 ally twinks who caused this. But like me they have other places to go.
  3. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    When we had twinks v twinks battlegrounds for the week or so they lasted, horde won about 90% of them. That's when things were "fair". Blowing up standing targets of level 71 with large groups of twinks is not. So wait, you're saying you "deserve" to steamroll level 71 afk 5k health mages who stand still at the graveyard and don't move? This is some reward for your hard work? Huh? You had no problem with this happening, over and over, all day, all night. I told you twinks would get shut down if it continued, you ignored me. Twinks then got shut down (as I predicted), And now I see you on this thread bellyaching about it. Seems pretty funny to me. Just think: all that "time" and "gold" you invested. To stand around in Stormwind So I was doing my best to help the horde, and not wishing to blow my own trumpet, think I did more than anyone else to help the horde win at least some games. The reason those incredibly skewed battleground stats weren't even more skewed was thanks in large part to me and some of my friends. I actively recruited twinks (many of whom were new to twinking, so needed lots of guidance) and I personally got more wins than any other horde player. All against the tide. When twinks got shut down (which I warned everyone would happen, and nobody listened to me) I returned to the other server, which I won't name. And I'm enjoying myself just fine there, with fairly balanced battlegrounds with twinks on both sides. I actually preferred Sunwell as a server, for various reasons, so it's a pity to me that twinking died here. But I can honestly say I did my best to prevent that from happening. But you - well you did what you did, you acted dumb and ruined this server, along with your hundreds of twink friends who spammed battlegrounds for sometimes 40-50 wins a day. Ruining all the levellers' battleground experiences and ensuring that the complaints mounted up and the bracket got shut down. I'm not going to invest any more time in a server in which twinking is dead. It's up to the twinks who are here to make it work, if that's what you actually want. But it seems that's not what you want. What you want is to wreck levellers. With all twinks on one side and no twinks on the other. I don't get the fun in that, and neither did the Sunwell admins it seems. I can understand being upset at the Sunwell admins the first time it happened. But not the second. You had ample time to reflect on what went wrong and not repeat it. But I guess you were incapable. Also, just to point out something really obvious, but you don't seem to get, with your "horde" and "alliance" designations. There is no "horde" and "alliance". There are people. And those people who twink are a small community. And if that twink community all chooses to roll one faction to bully levellers, then that's a choice those people have made collectively. A choice they could have chosen not to do. This situation wasn't horde v alliance where horde needed to get their shit together. This was all twinks choosing to roll one faction, because they all know each other. And then actively recruiting more and more twinks in spite of the absence of twinks on the oppositon. This isn't a random event by chance. This was engineered. And it was stupid. Why would I complain at Dzika Banda? They were the few Polish twinks with some honour that didn't find it fun to grind levellers into the dust all day every day. I respect Funpack, Newcure and co for doing what they did. I have a lot more respect for them than for you. As I said before. I'm content on the other server. I'll continue playing there and will be an interested outside observer of what happens here. And yes, it's pretty amusing. At this point I have zero sympathy for your plight. Especially as a few weeks ago, when you were grinding levellers into the dust, you said it was a "horde problem". Well it's definitely your problem now.
  4. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    LMAO. Guess it's no longer a "horde problem" now. Hilarious stuff. You made the bed you're lying in.
  5. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    I'm just curious whether ally twinks are so dumb they're willing to repeat the exact situation that happened last time and risk killing twinking on sunwell immediately after it had been returned. I don't think it's a horde problem, I think it's *your* problem if you don't want twinking shut down.
  6. Ajax

    Situation repeating itself

    Just checking in to give my thoughts on the twinking situation on Sunwell. I played a few games and looked around a bit to see what was up. Seems that cross-faction has not been implemented (and may not be possible, let's face it) but the 79 bracket has (all too predictably) turned into the shitshow that it was before twinks got separated. In fact it's as if we just returned to 4 months ago. There are many twinks on alliance side (of course there are, they've been hibernating all this time, while all horde twinks levelled up) and many useless afkers on horde side, just as before (and almost zero twinks). There are twinks on alliance side spamming 38 wins a day (devant, him again) as before. We are back to a 95% alliance win ratio. How long can this situation last? I will certainly not be returning to the server, especially with the very high likelihood that twinks will get shut down again. There's zero point putting any investment time in with this probability looming. I guess my question is, is there anyone willing to do anything about it and save twinking on sunwell? Or are you going to force the admins' hands again? My question is directed at the alliance twinks. You have been given a second chance to rescue twinking on this server. What's your plan?
  7. Using the word "possibly" doesn't detract from the fact that you made a groundless smear against our guild. You had zero evidence that we were involved in poll manipulation and yet you mentioned us. You even had strong evidence that we *weren't* involved in poll manipulation, since the same source you used to implicate Marian cleared us of wrongdoing and said outright we didn't want anything to do with it. Yet you still smeared. That was dishonest. Everything else you said is just an admission that all of your accusations and smears are pure conjecture. You want to frame a narrative that lots of twinks were involved in a conspiracy to manipulate the poll, but you have no proof or evidence for this. You may be right that I can't prove they weren't, because it's impossible to prove a negative, but as Helbra said, the burden of proof is on you. And as for your final point that we didn't do anything to balance the bracket once we started dominating the twink v twink games, you are once again wrong. Showing, once more, that you know nothing, yet you continue to make assertions when you don't know.
  8. And what "proof" do you have for your claims? You have your proof already as Denilor quoted word for word the only conversation that occured on our discord on this topic. So you know word for word what was said. Now where's your proof for this twink-wide conspiracy to manipulate polls?
  9. What does it say about me? That I'm not a snitch? Fine. But that's very different from what you were accusing me and those in my guild of earlier. You suggested we were involved in poll interference ourselves. We did not do this and we kept a big distance from what Marian was doing. You got it wrong. Why not just take it back? So another thing you got wrong. I didn't do anything to stop nor to encourage it. I had nothing to do with it whatsoever. I just considered it Marian doing Marian. Now if it were someone in *my* guild doing something like that, then maybe you could hold me responsible. Not someone I hardly know on the opposite faction and with whom I've had my fair share of public disagreements on this forum anyway. So, no, I'm not responsible for what Marian does. Marian is. You don't like this truth because you want to spin a narrative that this huge swathe of twinks conspired to manipulate the poll. When the truth is very different. The truth is one guy did that, the rest wanted nothing to do with it, and one guy even exposed his action. This is not a big twink conspiracy. Sorry that it spoils your narrative. I've never been in a discord with Marian. You are a bit clueless about this because you are trying to poke your nose in affairs of which you have nothing to do with, which is why so many of these assumptions of yours are flat out wrong. Why not just talk about things you know about instead? I am pointing out where you are stating outright falsehoods. Sorry that this offends you but correcting the record and stating the truth matters to me. Horde twinks didn't do anything to balance twink queues? What are you talking about? Did you even play at 79? The games that horde won during that period of alliance dominance were due to us. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but it's true. My own personal win record was 85% (no exaggeration) so I didn't *personally* experience Alliance dominance. Though I knew what was going on. So yes I think my 325 wins at 79 and 15k kills helped balance things. More than any other player in fact as I was also recruiting twinks and helping them gear. You already know someone from our discord did exactly this. And no I wouldn't do the same, I'd have relied on Sunwell admins to do their job and figure that out for themselves. But the point is this "scam" you speak of is, as far as any of us know, limited to one person, and I know of no others involved. You were making out earlier that there was a big organized racket involving many people of both factions. In other words, you lied. I called you a liar because you lied. If you don't like it, stop lying.
  10. Denilor removed himself from the discord, he wasn't kicked (ask him if you wish, he will tell you). He is the one who decided to out Marian, and that's his decision, we didn't know what he was going to do. I have no issues with Denilor, I think he's a good person, however, we don't really want private chats going public (who does?) However, you implied that our guild was involved in poll manipulation -- Denilor said nothing of the sort -- and that we guild kicked a "whistleblower", another invention of yours. Denilor himself said (and you are going by his word for all your conjecture so you might as well believe him) that nobody in our guild approved of what Marian was plotting to do, none of us were joining in, and we thought he'd get himself caught. These were the words that Denilor wrote. And yet you read that and concluded "an entire horde guild" was guilty of "interference" alongside Marian. You are a liar, plain and simple.
  11. You are clearly a dishonest person. Nobody guild kicked anybody. The person you're referring to left the discord (voluntarily, not kicked, not even asked to leave) because it was uncomfortable for us to have somebody "leaking" private chats, and not because we cared about manipulating any polls. This person didn't even in fact play on Frosthold. It's obvious that twinks are going to want to have an active bracket, some went too far imo in their enthusiasm for that, but you have no leg to stand on when it comes to honesty since you outright lied in this post.
  12. I am not surprised they "intervened", but I question the intervention they made and the basis on which it was made. Listening to the consistent whining of people who are breaking the server's rules game after game -- as if they are mandated to queue for battlegrounds to level -- is poor judgment in my view. As is not punishing afkers (if you don't punish a rule break, it will just keep getting broken). They should've turned down xp for losses, as has been suggested here multiple times (a suggestion never even entertained by any Sunwell staff as far as I can see) and not doing so is further poor judgment in my view. And I will note that mass afking still occurs now, without a twink to be seen anywhere. People afked because they were allowed to afk and because they got a shit-ton of xp regardless. I would join battlegrounds with my boys (other twinks) and all the other horde would agree to afk and 10 minutes later would come back and say "wtf we're winning?" Yes the bracket was bad, yes alliance had more twinks, but having a character with good gear isn't against the rules, but non-participation is. Did the sunwell staff address the non-participation? No. And they still don't. They actually *sided* with the non-participants. I have no evidence of how many people manipulated this poll with multiple accounts. The only confirmed case that I know about is Marian. I suggested "two" because I noticed that the admin used the plural form. But he was blaming "the twink community". I can only speak for myself that I voted once and once only and I actually find the whole decision-based-on-poll process totally ridiculous, which I've already expressed. The problem with it, to be clear, is that last time the poll results were what they were because a bunch of people were angry and sore about getting wrecked, game after game (but they still queued anyway). I don't think revenge voting is a sound basis for decision making. That's my view. And lastly, the guild discord you're referring to is mine. Yes Marian had contacted one of our members to make us aware of the poll (nothing underhand about that) and then revealed that he had voted multiple times (he's not good at secrecy it seems lol). And as you saw from what Denilor said, *nobody* in our guild thought it a good idea to vote multiple times. So Marian is, as far as I know, the only one who's done this. I'm not sure how it gives a bad picture of the community when his machinations are immediately exposed on here, even at the possible cost of friendship. Seems to me like it shows we have honest people.
  13. Isn't it a little bit excessive to blame the whole "twink community" (with scare quotes no less) for the actions of one (two possibly?) rather passionate/obsessive individual? And he's only doing this because Sunwell staff appear to be making decisions based on the results of forum polls, which is rather absurd if you ask me. I think Sunwell staff themselves are difficult to take seriously, rather than address mass afking problem by actually, you know, punishing the afkers (nobody was punished, despite it being server-wide knowledge that it was happening every game for weeks on end) they decided to "punish" the twink community (sorry, "twink community") and used a forum poll in which a lot of angry, butthurt pve levellers could get their revenge on twinks as a basis for a decision.
  14. Yeah we get your point of view. You don't have to repeat it 18 million times.
  15. So I don't know if these poll numbers are legit or not, just as I didn't know whether the last poll numbers were legit. What I do know is that if admins genuinely make decisions based on small sample forum polls then that is bad server management.
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